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Author Message Joined: : 31-Dec-1969 Started On : 05-Sep-2004 at 02:38:38 PM, #Views : 7122 Topic Subject : Age Bit of a question... I was asked, by a 17 year old, to do a body cast of her. I said no, because she was under 18. That seems the right answer to me - she was under 18 - a clear cut answer. But then I started wondering about 'baby's bottom casts' - I don't want to start any contoversy, but where is the line drawn regarding casting an adult and a child. If you cast a baby's bottom, is there a difference between that and casting the body of a 'young adult'. I feel there is, but any pointers to the legal aspect? I'm sure we all have a moral standpoint and opinion, but where do we stand in relation to the law? Thanks in advance   Replied By Message Joined: 31-Dec-1969 Posted On : 05-Sep-2004 at 02:46:40 PM   Subject : Re: Age The other thing I meant to say, but forgot, was that in the UK there was a female photographer that took photos of her children (naked and with masks)- as 'art pieces'. I can't remember the details (it was in the Times), but I think she was 'investigated' by the police, and I think she was visited by the Social Services. I can't remember the outcome - can anyone fill in the gaps? But it does raise issues. CJ Munn Joined: 20-Apr-2004 Posted On : 05-Sep-2004 at 04:50:02 PM   Subject : RE: Age I shall answer your two points separately stephen. I think you were right in this instance to tell her to come back when she was 18. The difference with me casting children's bottoms (between 0-6 i have done it) is that the child's parent was present, asked me to do it, and the child was very keen too in the most recent cases of the older children, so there was no uncomfortable coersion. I don't know where the law would stand with you casting a 17 year old's bottom, but i would definitely expect parental consent to be a consideration of self-protection. I used to pose nude for art classes when I was 16/17 with my mother's blessing (she too is an artist so it was very normal for us). but does the law immediately assume naked = sexual? i'm not sure. sometimes suspicion is enough to ruin a career. I think as a male caster you have to be even more vigilent against accusations of liberty taking or whatever, and I would be just as cautious myself with teenagers or older children. I too have had to think about this very carefully, but if the pose itself is 'innocent' and not deliberately provicative or erotic in nature, then the nudity itself should not immediately suggest wrong doing on behalf of the artist. I say 'should' because you can't stop people from whispering about you and trashing your reputation even if there is no wrong-doing at all. x -----Original Message----- From: www@host.earthplaza.net [mailto:www@host.earthplaza.net]On Behalf Of aliforum@lifecasting.org Sent: 05 September 2004 19:39 To: cj@rockabelly.co.uk Subject: Age( Message No. 50) ----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link ---------------------------------------------------------------> Hello CJ Munn Post Date : Sunday 05th of September 2004 02:38:38 PM Posted by : "Stephen Booth" steve@castfromlife.co.uk Age:-- Bit of a question... I was asked, by a 17 year old, to do a body cast of her. I said no, because she was under 18. That seems the right answer to me - she was under 18 - a clear cut answer. But then I started wondering about 'baby's bottom casts' - I don't want to start any contoversy, but where is the line drawn regarding casting an adult and a child. If you cast a baby's bottom, is there a difference between that and casting the body of a 'young adult'. I feel there is, but any pointers to the legal aspect? I'm sure we all have a moral standpoint and opinion but where do we stand in relation to the law? Thanks in advance --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system Link Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 03/09/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system Link Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 03/09/2004 CJ Munn Joined: 20-Apr-2004 Posted On : 05-Sep-2004 at 05:00:01 PM   Subject : RE: Age I don't remember this case, but i did read one a few years ago about a well known newsreader who had the same thing. I found it outrageous (and frightening) at the time. As a child my sister and I spent much of the summer holidays stark bollock naked, running round the garden with friends and neighbours' children enjoying the freedom (and coolness) of being nude in the sunshine, swimming in the stream etc etc. We would have no family photos at all if we didn't have the nude and happy ones. I do get angry when i hear about things like this as it is personal liberty that is affected and it doesn't actually protect children at all from those people who they are in real danger from. what happens to nudist families for heaven's sake? doing what i do, and having a son, and his friends round, i have long been awaiting my call from the social services demanding to investigate how i corrupt my child with my art. It's terrifying really...because you do hear about these cases. I will argue that I am an artist, daughter of two artists, grown up surrounded by happy naked people and there's nothing in the least bit sinister about it. My child is not offended or harmed by my art. If the sight of a stone nipple or penis is enough to judge someone a pervert or child corrupter then every museum and art gallery on the planet will be guilty of corrupting visiting school children. i think one could easily defend oneself against any wrongful accusations...but just to be accused is enough to ruin someone's life and career. it's terrible. and in this day and age people are so quick to form lynch mobs and assume the worst. I don't know what the law says about these things. it would be interesting to know if there is any law at all related to lifecasting. all i would say is to work like a photographer has to work with models - no under 18s without parental consent/a chaperone. x -----Original Message----- From: www@host.earthplaza.net [mailto:www@host.earthplaza.net]On Behalf Of aliforum@lifecasting.org Sent: 05 September 2004 19:47 To: cj@rockabelly.co.uk Subject: Re: Age( Message No. 50) ----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link ---------------------------------------------------------------> Hello CJ Munn Post Date : Sunday 05th of September 2004 02:46:40 PM Posted by : "Stephen Booth" steve@castfromlife.co.uk Re: Age:-- The other thing I meant to say, but forgot, was that in the UK there was a female photographer that took photos of her children (naked and with masks)- as 'art pieces'. I can't remember the details (it was in the Times), but I think she was 'investigated' by the police, and I think she was visited by the Social Services. I can't remember the outcome - can anyone fill in the gaps? But it does raise issues. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system Link Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 03/09/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system Link Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 03/09/2004 Joined: 31-Dec-1969 Posted On : 05-Sep-2004 at 07:55:02 PM   Subject : Re: Age I see alot of difference in a baby's bottom and a teenage woman's body parts. I would not trust anyone that I didnt know, because there are just too many out there who might try to extort you. I second the motion that signed permission slip and chaperone...parent only. It is ashamed the world has come to this. Joined: 31-Dec-1969 Posted On : 06-Sep-2004 at 12:22:20 PM   Subject : Re: Age I think the issue of age is a very difficult one. I remember becoming paranoid about cuddling my daughter when she was about 5 or 6 because there was a lot of adverse press at the time about some village in the north of England and the social services had taken a whole load of kids away from their parents. I have no idea what the law says on this but i think you have to be very careful and make sure you get parental signatures before even thinking about it. I seem to remember that Brent and Shirley at Nakedart in New Zealand had a very original approach to this - they did a very nice piece with just arms and legs - it's on their website. Richard www.nowlifecasting.com Martin Flores Joined: 24-Aug-2004 Posted On : 06-Sep-2004 at 04:15:02 PM   Subject : RE: Age Hello That a very important question, I believe it's a matter of spiritual principals And very personal, what I feel and think is if I become a life casting master I'll only walk with the guidelines of god , in my view, I want to cast only very spiritual mature people, no kids, no people that can not understand art casting, I want to do it with art, to express my love to life and beauty Attaching a spiritual meaning That’s my comment to your question God bless you Ocean of Love Martin Robert Oblon Joined: 04-Aug-2004 Posted On : 06-Sep-2004 at 07:55:00 PM   Subject : Re: Age What are the guidelines of GOD? Robert Oblon Central Coast Art Foundry Arroyo Grande, California 805-748-5381 CJ Munn Joined: 20-Apr-2004 Posted On : 07-Sep-2004 at 03:30:00 AM   Subject : RE: Age Hi Martin I understand you're only expressing an opinion, which you are of course entitled to. But even though I'm not religious I still find it hard to think I would be offending 'God's guidelines' by casting children. I think children are the most spiritually pure people on this planet, and although babies might be competely oblivious to the 'meaning' of casting sessions, I can assure you that my son (aged 6) can already understand the art value of my work, and appreciates the beauty of them so much so that he gives me hugs every time I create something he is particularly impressed with. And what could be a more special expression of love, life and beauty as you put it, than to be inspired to make art that captures a part of the innocence of childhood and the visage of youth? There's enough beauty and meaning in a simple cast of a baby's foot to bring a parent to tears afterall. Even though I follow none of man's religions, I still have a spiritual side and moral principals and I am not sure whether your letter implied some sort of moral criticism to those of us who differ from your own guidelines. Having studied the bible, I can find no reference to the evils of making art relating to children. Can you please elaborate? cj -----Original Message----- From: lifecast@host.earthplaza.net [mailto:lifecast@host.earthplaza.net]On Behalf Of aliforum@lifecasting.org Sent: 06 September 2004 21:15 To: cj@rockabelly.co.uk Subject: RE: Age( Message No. 50) ----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link ---------------------------------------------------------------> Hello CJ Munn Post Date : Monday 06th of September 2004 04:15:02 PM Posted by : "Martin Flores" olymarcabo@prodigy.net.mx RE: Age:-- Hello That a very important question, I believe it's a matter of spiritual principals And very personal, what I feel and think is if I become a life casting master I'll only walk with the guidelines of god , in my view, I want to cast only very spiritual mature people, no kids, no people that can not understand art casting, I want to do it with art, to express my love to life and beauty Attaching a spiritual meaning That’s my comment to your question God bless you Ocean of Love Martin --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system Link Version: 6.0.752 / Virus Database: 503 - Release Date: 03/09/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system Link Version: 6.0.754 / Virus Database: 504 - Release Date: 06/09/2004 Robert Oblon Joined: 04-Aug-2004 Posted On : 07-Sep-2004 at 12:15:02 PM   Subject : Re: Age I agree with cj. If anyone has a concern with doing body casting from a minor, regardless of sex then one of two things should happen. 1. Don't do it if your are concerned about "public outcry" and or make sure the parent(s) are there and you have a written release. This is for the sake of ART not GOD! Robert Oblon Central Coast Art Foundry Arroyo Grande, California 805-748-5381 Joined: 31-Dec-1969 Posted On : 15-Sep-2004 at 04:52:16 PM   Subject : Re: Age Thanks for everyone's input. Opinion was much as expected, but still didn't really address the legal aspect. I also use a forum in Northern Ireland and this discussion came out of the blue, but it relates to the age issue I brought up, so I thought I'd post a link. Link The statement relating to the law applies to UK but I think it will be relevant to all worldwide. Best wishes Steve « First | Previous Page 1 of 2 Page 2 of 2 Next | Last »