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Author Message Matthew Davis Joined: : 31-Jul-2004 Started On : 21-Oct-2004 at 09:25:00 AM, #Views : 2697 Topic Subject : Eyes I have heard someone mention that it is possible to use some type of contact lens covering that will protect the eye and enable anyone to do an open eye cast. I am not sure if this is actually done or if they were just talking. Matt   Replied By Message John Schoonraad Joined: 20-Oct-2004 Posted On : 21-Oct-2004 at 02:20:01 PM   Subject : Re: eyes Hi Matt Yes a full schlerol contact lens may be used for an eyes open lifecast .Its not something that I have done personally but it does work .There are other methods. I personally circumnavigate the eyes. It takes a steady hand, some gentle coaching of the model, and lots of care and confidence. The other technique is to do a mask of thin alginate around the eyes, while they are shut, then the subject opens their eyes. You then allow the alginate to go off. Next, carefully release the eyes and allow them to shut. The eyes are now closed under the alginate, which have been formed with an 'open look'. Continue with the lifecast, by going over the top as usual. The alginate may be bonded together using prosaid prosthetic grade glue. This is a bit long winded, but is a way that I have used for years. More recently, I favour the first method. While working on SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, the young actor Giovanni Rabbisi asked if he could keep one eye open.( it was a confidence thing) No problem, but it was a bit unnerving having his eye on me! But it made him feel ok, and we had a superb result. We cast the other eye just in case, but it was not needed. I was able to get so close that we used that eye as our reference to sculpt the other eye open . There will be photos on my website shortly. Hope this helps Go safely Kind regards John Schoonraad ----- Original Message ----- From: <aliforum@lifecasting.org> To: <john@lifecast.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: eyes( Message No. 74) ----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link ---------------------------------------------------------------> Hello John Schoonraad Post Date : Thursday 21st of October 2004 09:25:00 AM Posted by : "Matthew Davis" mtd1701@hopper.net eyes:-- I have heard someone mention that it is possible to use some type of contact lens covering that will protect the eye and enable anyone to do an open eye cast. I am not sure if this is actually done or if they were just talking. Matt Ed McCormick Joined: 21-Mar-2004 Posted On : 21-Oct-2004 at 02:30:02 PM   Subject : RE: eyes ALI Members We welcome John Schoorand back to the ALI forum. John, an international master of lifecasting and special effects has been traveling the world for location shoos. He promises to be at home now (London) and we look forward to his forum replies as a great asset to ALI. Thanks John! Ed McCormick -----Original Message----- From: aliforum@lifecasting.org [mailto:aliforum@lifecasting.org] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 1:20 PM To: info@artmolds.com Subject: Re: eyes( Message No. 74) ----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link ---------------------------------------------------------------> Hello Ed McCormick Post Date : Thursday 21st of October 2004 02:20:01 PM Posted by : "John Schoonraad" john@lifecast.co.uk Re: eyes:-- Hi Matt Yes a full schlerol contact lens may be used for an eyes open lifecast .Its not something that I have done personally but it does work .There are other methods. I personally circumnavigate the eyes. It takes a steady hand, some gentle coaching of the model, and lots of care and confidence. The other technique is to do a mask of thin alginate around the eyes, while they are shut, then the subject opens their eyes. You then allow the alginate to go off. Next, carefully release the eyes and allow them to shut. The eyes are now closed under the alginate, which have been formed with an 'open look'. Continue with the lifecast, by going over the top as usual. The alginate may be bonded together using prosaid prosthetic grade glue. This is a bit long winded, but is a way that I have used for years. More recently, I favour the first method. While working on SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, the young actor Giovanni Rabbisi asked if he could keep one eye open.( it was a confidence thing) No problem, but it was a bit unnerving having his eye on me! But it made him feel ok, and we had a superb result. We cast the other eye just in case, but it was not needed. I was able to get so close that we used that eye as our reference to sculpt the other eye open . There will be photos on my website shortly. Hope this helps Go safely Kind regards John Schoonraad ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 2:25 PM Subject: eyes( Message No. 74) ----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link ---------------------------------------------------------------> Hello John Schoonraad Post Date : Thursday 21st of October 2004 09:25:00 AM Posted by : "Matthew Davis" mtd1701@hopper.net eyes:-- I have heard someone mention that it is possible to use some type of contact lens covering that will protect the eye and enable anyone to do an open eye cast. I am not sure if this is actually done or if they were just talking. Matt Jimmy F Joined: 06-Oct-2004 Posted On : 21-Oct-2004 at 08:40:29 PM   Subject : Re: eyes Hi John, I would like to clarify what you said so I can give it a go this weekend. You are first laying a thin layer of alginate "around" the eyes while they are open? Not over the eyes? I assume this forms the "open" eyelid shape, then the model closes thier eyes and you cast alginate over that as per usual? Regards Jimmy Jimmy F Joined: 06-Oct-2004 Posted On : 21-Oct-2004 at 08:51:19 PM   Subject : Re: eyes HI John, May I clarify what you said so I can give it a go this weekend. You first lay a thin layer of alginate "around" the eyes while they are open, (I assume this give the upper and lower eyelid shpae) and allow this to set, then let the model close thier eyes then cover alginate over the model's face as per usual? Is this correct? This would be much easier than actually sculpting the hardened plaster closed eyes into open eyes. If I have this worng please let me know. Kind Regards Jimmy John Schoonraad Joined: 20-Oct-2004 Posted On : 22-Oct-2004 at 08:10:01 AM   Subject : Re: eyes Dear Jimmy you have actually described in a few words both techniques it helps however to have them close there eyes while a very thin film goes over the lids, but get them to open as quickly as they can and it must be thin especially on there eye lids they weren't designed to lift weight it depends a lot on the eye shape as well. Remember to be care full and gentle the model must be coached and made aware of all that is happening ,there's a bit more to this feel free to ring me on 00447903191991 and may be I can fill in the blanks go safely kind regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: <aliforum@lifecasting.org> To: <john@lifecast.co.uk> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 1:51 AM Subject: Re: eyes( Message No. 74) ----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link ---------------------------------------------------------------> Hello John Schoonraad Post Date : Thursday 21st of October 2004 08:51:19 PM Posted by : "Jimmy Falls" wave@kooee.com.au Re: eyes:-- HI John May I clarify what you said so I can give it a go this weekend. You first lay a thin layer of alginate "around" the eyes while they are open, (I assume this give the upper and lower eyelid shpae) and allow this to set then let the model close thier eyes then cover alginate over the model's face as per usual? Is this correct? This would be much easier than actually sculpting the hardened plaster closed eyes into open eyes. If I have this worng please let me know. Kind Regards Jimmy