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Author Message Stuart Webb Joined: : 04-Jul-2004 Started On : 06-Nov-2004 at 09:58:47 AM, #Views : 2649 Topic Subject : Disaster Hello everyone, This is a plea for help & advice. I have had a disaster with a breakage to a pregnant cast. I have attached a picture of it. What I was intending to do was glue all the pieces together, fill any gaps with plaster, retexture using texture stamps while the plaster is still soft enough, let it all dry & then make a mould & recast it. Any advice or suggestions would be most gratefully received. Thanks in advance. Stuart View File   Replied By Message Ed McCormick Joined: 21-Mar-2004 Posted On : 06-Nov-2004 at 10:15:01 AM   Subject : RE: disaster Dear Stuart So sorry to see what happened. But with patience you can fix it good as new. You need to reinforce the back. There are several ways. Since plaster does not adhere well to plaster. Mix up a bit of Forton MG. Apply it to the back with a paint brush. Lay a piece of open weave fiberglass mat or hardware cloth in the coating and then paint a coating on top. When dry it will be stronger than new. Fill the clacks in using latex Spackle. You can use texture stamps in the Spackle. The Spackle is better than plaster as it will hold fast over time. I have made many repairs this way and when finished the viewer can never tell it was broken. Warmest regards Ed McCormick -----Original Message----- From: aliforum@lifecasting.org [mailto:aliforum@lifecasting.org] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:59 AM To: info@artmolds.com Subject: disaster( Message No. 92) ----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link ---------------------------------------------------------------> Hello Ed McCormick Post Date : Saturday 06th of November 2004 09:58:47 AM Posted by : "Stuart Webb" SWSwebb@aol.com disaster:-- Hello everyone This is a plea for help & advice. I have had a disaster with a breakage to a pregnant cast. I have attached a picture of it. What I was intending to do was glue all the pieces together, fill any gaps with plaster, retexture using texture stamps while the plaster is still soft enough, let it all dry & then make a mould & recast it. Any advice or suggestions would be most gratefully received. Thanks in advance. Stuart Stuart Webb Joined: 04-Jul-2004 Posted On : 06-Nov-2004 at 11:04:26 AM   Subject : Re: disaster Dear Ed, Thank you so much for getting back to me so quickly. I am in the UK. Do you now if there is anywhere here that I can get Forton MG? Also would an artist supply shop do latex spackle or would that be a more specialised supplier? Best regards Stuart Frank Joseph Joined: 12-May-2004 Posted On : 06-Nov-2004 at 07:25:00 PM   Subject : Re: disaster Stuart I've reattached casts that have broken. The breaks on yours look fairly clean, once you align the pieces. Make as pefect an alignment as you can. Use clamps to hold the adjacent parts together and plaster from behind. The new layer will bond it all together. Then fill the cracks to hide the evidence. Once you paint or finish, no one will know. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: <aliforum@lifecasting.org> To: <frankjoseph@sobebodycasting.com> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: disaster( Message No. 92) ----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link ---------------------------------------------------------------> Hello Frank Joseph Post Date : Saturday 06th of November 2004 09:58:47 AM Posted by : "Stuart Webb" SWSwebb@aol.com disaster:-- Hello everyone This is a plea for help & advice. I have had a disaster with a breakage to a pregnant cast. I have attached a picture of it. What I was intending to do was glue all the pieces together, fill any gaps with plaster, retexture using texture stamps while the plaster is still soft enough, let it all dry & then make a mould & recast it. Any advice or suggestions would be most gratefully received. Thanks in advance. Stuart CJ Munn Joined: 20-Apr-2004 Posted On : 07-Nov-2004 at 04:25:01 AM   Subject : RE: disaster For myself, I would always prefer to repair it then make a new cast from the broken original. Even though it's twice as much work and you'll end up making a loss moneywise, it will give you piece of mind. Where there is a crack, you may be able to disguise it but there will ALWAYS be a weakness and the slightest knock or stress may result in it cracking open again, with the obviousness of your cover-up being exposed along with it and your reputation just as shattered as the sculpture. I was taught this by another lifecaster when I was going to attempt a coverup on a pair of boobs I had dropped and cracked...I am so glad I took his advice and made a new pair. I kept the repaired (but cracked) pair as a sample, and the client got the perfect pair they paid for. I can sleep at night and that was well worth the effort. Sometimes it's just worth re-doing stuff the hard way. If it was your own sample that you were keeping then by all means I'd say cover up and hide the evidence, but since it's for someone else...you need to feel confident that those cracks will not under any circumstances come back to haunt you even years down the line. just my opinion though. the cast looks great by the way! x -----Original Message----- From: lifecast@host.earthplaza.net [mailto:lifecast@host.earthplaza.net]On Behalf Of aliforum@lifecasting.org Sent: 07 November 2004 00:25 To: cj@rockabelly.co.uk Subject: Re: disaster( Message No. 92) ----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link ---------------------------------------------------------------> Hello CJ Munn Post Date : Saturday 06th of November 2004 07:25:00 PM Posted by : "Frank Joseph" frankjoseph@sobebodycasting.com Re: disaster:-- Stuart I've reattached casts that have broken. The breaks on yours look fairly clean, once you align the pieces. Make as pefect an alignment as you can. Use clamps to hold the adjacent parts together and plaster from behind. The new layer will bond it all together. Then fill the cracks to hide the evidence. Once you paint or finish, no one will know. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:58 AM Subject: disaster( Message No. 92) ----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link ---------------------------------------------------------------> Hello Frank Joseph Post Date : Saturday 06th of November 2004 09:58:47 AM Posted by : "Stuart Webb" SWSwebb@aol.com disaster:-- Hello everyone This is a plea for help & advice. I have had a disaster with a breakage to a pregnant cast. I have attached a picture of it. What I was intending to do was glue all the pieces together, fill any gaps with plaster, retexture using texture stamps while the plaster is still soft enough, let it all dry & then make a mould & recast it. Any advice or suggestions would be most gratefully received. Thanks in advance. Stuart --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system Link Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system Link Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 Marilyn Draving Joined: 13-Apr-2004 Posted On : 07-Nov-2004 at 01:55:00 PM   Subject : RE: disaster Hi, this is my first posting. I've been lifecasting faces for about 14 years. I recently did my first pregnancy cast and while someone was showing it they picked it up the wrong way and it cracked in three pieces also. It looks very similar to your cracks so I'm thinking that maybe these pregnancy casts need structural supports put in during the casting process. I use rebar for mounting face casts after I cast them because it is more precise. I dig into the back of the lifecast at an angle in order to secure the new plaster and the rebar. I rough up the plaster with wood tools similar to scoring in ceramics. I dig it at an angle where I'm adding the plaster so it securely attaches the fresh plaster and then sink the rebar into the plaster for support and cover it with plaster so it is not seen. Even with heavy pieces I haven't had any problems with this method. The pregnancy cast and breasts have an uneven weight base and that's where the internal support structure is needed. I've been looking at my broken piece trying to decide which is the best method to repair it and the Forton method sounds good to me but I still think I might sink the rebar into the fresh plaster for added structural support. P.S. If you add the rebar for support I always coat it with a layer of Kilz Rust Sealer so I don't get the metal rust bleeding through the plaster. I use Kilz Rust Sealer over my finished pieces before I paint as the paint never seeps into the plaster and the finish lasts for years. >From: aliforum@lifecasting.org >To: mjdraving@hotmail.com >Subject: RE: disaster( Message No. 92) >Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 04:25:01 -0500 > ><html><body>----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> >Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & >Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link >---------------------------------------------------------------> > >Hello Marilyn Draving > > >Post Date : Sunday 07th of November 2004 04:25:01 AM >Posted by : "CJ Munn" cj@rockabelly.co.uk > >RE: disaster:-- >For myself, I would always prefer to repair it then make a new cast from >the >broken original. Even though it's twice as much work and you'll end up >making a loss moneywise, it will give you piece of mind. Where there is a >crack, you may be able to disguise it but there will ALWAYS be a weakness >and the slightest knock or stress may result in it cracking open again >with >the obviousness of your cover-up being exposed along with it and your >reputation just as shattered as the sculpture. I was taught this by another >lifecaster when I was going to attempt a coverup on a pair of boobs I had >dropped and cracked...I am so glad I took his advice and made a new pair. I >kept the repaired (but cracked) pair as a sample, and the client got the >perfect pair they paid for. I can sleep at night and that was well worth >the >effort. > >Sometimes it's just worth re-doing stuff the hard way. If it was your own >sample that you were keeping then by all means I'd say cover up and hide >the >evidence, but since it's for someone else...you need to feel confident that >those cracks will not under any circumstances come back to haunt you even >years down the line. > >just my opinion though. the cast looks great by the way! > >x > >-----Original Message----- >From: lifecast@host.earthplaza.net >[mailto:lifecast@host.earthplaza.net]On Behalf Of >aliforum@lifecasting.org >Sent: 07 November 2004 00:25 >To: cj@rockabelly.co.uk >Subject: Re: disaster( Message No. 92) > > >----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> >Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & >Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link >---------------------------------------------------------------> > >Hello CJ Munn > > > >Post Date : Saturday 06th of November 2004 07:25:00 PM >Posted by : "Frank Joseph" frankjoseph@sobebodycasting.com > >Re: disaster:-- >Stuart > >I've reattached casts that have broken. The breaks on yours look fairly >clean, once you align the pieces. Make as pefect an alignment as you can. >Use clamps to hold the adjacent parts together and plaster from behind. The >new layer will bond it all together. Then fill the cracks to hide the >evidence. Once you paint or finish, no one will know. >Frank > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 9:58 AM >Subject: disaster( Message No. 92) > > >----------------- Amazon.com ALI Sponsor --------------------> >Two new life casting DVDs available. Artistic Face Casting & >Casting The Female Torso. Available through Link >---------------------------------------------------------------> > >Hello Frank Joseph > > > >Post Date : Saturday 06th of November 2004 09:58:47 AM >Posted by : "Stuart Webb" SWSwebb@aol.com > >disaster:-- >Hello everyone > >This is a plea for help & advice. >I have had a disaster with a breakage to a pregnant cast. I have attached a >picture of it. >What I was intending to do was glue all the pieces together, fill any gaps >with plaster, retexture using texture stamps while the plaster is still >soft >enough, let it all dry & then make a mould & recast it. >Any advice or suggestions would be most gratefully received. >Thanks in advance. >Stuart > > > > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system Link >Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system Link >Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004 > > ></body></html> _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! Link Stuart Webb Joined: 04-Jul-2004 Posted On : 12-Nov-2004 at 12:39:02 PM   Subject : Re: disaster Thanks to everyone for all the helpful suggestions. Best regards Stuart